{"id":10974,"date":"2026-06-16T08:38:00","date_gmt":"2026-06-16T05:38:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/en.tomanifesto.gr\/?p=10974"},"modified":"2026-06-16T08:38:00","modified_gmt":"2026-06-16T05:38:00","slug":"the-truth-about-erzurum-and-pasoks-secret-diplomacy","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/en.tomanifesto.gr\/?p=10974","title":{"rendered":"The Truth About Erzurum and PASOK&#8217;s Secret Diplomacy"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>The visit of <b>George Papandreou<\/b> in 2011 to <b>Turkey<\/b> and his meeting with <b>Erdogan<\/b> left more questions unanswered than it resolved issues in relations between the two countries.<\/p>\n<p>When Kyriakos Mitsotakis stated (in his interview with Nikos Hatzinikolaou) that he is the only Greek prime minister to have raised the issue of <b>casus belli <\/b>within Turkey, it was clear to whom he was responding.<\/p>\n<p> However, <b>PASOK<\/b>, in its general petty-megalomania, felt it had to respond. And it rushed to mention George Papandreou\u2019s visit to <b>Erzurum<\/b> in Turkey in January 2011. Asking the question: \u201cWas the prime minister\u2019s statement yesterday a product of arrogance, hypocrisy, or ignorance?\u201d\u00a0<b>One wonders why, there at PASOK, in an effort to write a clean slate, they are \u201cdredging up\u201d the past.<\/b><\/p>\n<p>According to the announcement, \u201cHistory records that as early as January 2011, Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou had categorically addressed the entirety of Turkish provocations and, in particular, the issue of casus belli, in the presence of Turkish President T. Erdo\u011fan and before all the ambassadors of the neighboring country, in <b>Erzurum<\/b>.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>And it adds: \u201c<b>In any case, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, once it has completed the restructuring due to the oversupply of undersecretaries, must protect him from similar statements in the future\u201d!<\/b><\/p>\n<p>The truth is that at the meeting of Turkish ambassadors in Erzurum (January 7, 2011), G. Papandreou did indeed raise a number of issues\u2014with an emphasis on overflights and the Cyprus issue. \u201cWhen faced with the choice between peace and conflict, we choose peace,\u201d he had said, adding that \u201cpeaceful coexistence also has its prerequisites. Trust is hard to build, yet very easy to lose.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>In his speech, he specifically said:<\/p>\n<p>\u201cOn the eve of my arrival in Turkey, <b>eight Turkish Air Force aircraft flew over Agathonisi. Eight aircraft violated Greek sovereignty<\/b>. What is Turkey trying to prove? The status of sovereignty in the Aegean will not change. If Turkey wants peace, this must stop. The threat of war has no place in bilateral relations, nor does it solve problems.\u201d<\/p>\n<h3><b>A three-hour meeting with no minutes!<\/b><\/h3>\n<p>But history is not written selectively, with blank pages and no minutes.<\/p>\n<p>Because for that visit to Turkey, Mr. Papandreou was accused by all parties of secret diplomacy.<\/p>\n<p>And this was because, while he did deliver a fine academic-theoretical speech addressing the ambassadors and attended the opening of the Winter Universiade stadium (<b>where everyone wore a light blue scarf<\/b>), but he also had a private meeting with Tayyip Erdogan that lasted over three hours, without any minutes being taken!<\/p>\n<p>We were never informed of the content of that discussion, and this was what dominated the Greek press\u2014including the pro-government media.\u00a0All parties had then issued statements demanding to know exactly what the two leaders discussed in their private meeting, highlighting the lack of transparency.<\/p>\n<p>On that trip, during his speech at the opening of the Winter Universiade facilities, Mr. Papandreou had said, referring to what the Olympic Truce symbolizes:<\/p>\n<p>\u201cLast May, your prime minister and my friend, Tayyip, came to Athens and visited the Panathenaic Stadium. <\/p>\n<p>And together we signed the book on the <b>Olympic Truce<\/b>.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>At the same time, he praised the role of the Turkish Prime Minister, with whom, as he said, <b>\u201cwe have put our cooperation on a new footing and intensified our efforts to improve our relations.\u201d\u00a0<\/b><\/p>\n<p>\u201cTo transform our neighborhood into a region of peace, stability, and development\u2014that is our goal,\u201d he emphasized, noting at the same time that Greece will stand by Turkey in its bid for the 2020 Olympic Games.\u00a0As officially announced, \u201cprior to the stadium\u2019s opening ceremony and on the sidelines of the annual meeting of Turkish ambassadors, Mr. Papandreou had a three-hour meeting with Recep Tayyip Erdo\u011fan.<\/p>\n<h3><b>What they told us they\u2026 said!<\/b><\/h3>\n<p>According to diplomatic sources, the following took place:<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe meeting between the two leaders began as scheduled at 10 a.m., with only Mr. Papandreou and Mr. Erdo\u011fan in attendance, while shortly before noon, the foreign ministers of both countries, <b>Dimitris Droutsas<\/b> and <b>Ahmet Davuto\u011flu, also entered the room.<\/b><\/p>\n<p>During this meeting, issues regarding Greek-Turkish relations were discussed, including Turkish overflights, while extensive reference was also made to the issue of <b> illegal immigration <\/b> (and the planned construction of a fence in Evros).\u00a0Issues concerning the <b> Aegean Sea, <\/b>such as the continental shelf, etc., are the subject of ongoing exploratory talks.<\/p>\n<p>Today\u2019s meeting in Erzurum was not intended to resolve specific issues or make specific decisions, but rather to establish a framework that will advance Greek-Turkish relations, which are developing within the institutions that have been established.<\/p>\n<p>One such institution is the High Council, the convening of which will be prepared by the upcoming visit of Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davuto\u011flu to Athens in March.<\/p>\n<p>Mr. Davuto\u011flu described the participation of the Prime Minister and Foreign Minister D. Droutsas in the summit as \u201cproof of the high level of Greek-Turkish relations.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>In statements to the \u201cAnatolia\u201d news agency, Mr. Davuto\u011flu focused on <b>the \u201chistoric\u201d significance of the speeches by Mr. Papandreou and Mr. Droutsas.<\/b> \u201cTurkey always responds to sincere intentions of friendship and when approached in this manner. This is our policy in the Balkans and the Middle East,\u201d he added. Therefore, contrary to what PASOK is saying today, the meeting was not aimed at resolving specific issues.<\/p>\n<h3><b>Clarifications from Droutsas<\/b><\/h3>\n<p>The backlash was so intense that on January 10, 2011, speaking on SKAI TV, Dimitris Droutsas stated that there is no Greek government that does not promote Greece\u2019s interests and its long-term goals, and he called for an end to the hypocrisy that the government of the day is theand the opposition of the day is the ultra-patriot. \u201cThis hypocrisy must stop, for the sake of Greece,\u201d he had said.<\/p>\n<p>Regarding the Papandreou-Erdo\u011fan meeting in particular, Mr. Droutsas had stated that the main topic of discussion was illegal immigration, on which \u201cthere was an agreement for close cooperation,\u201d as well as bilateral, regional, and international issues.<\/p>\n<p><b>Therefore, the issue of casus belli (cause for war) was raised in a speech to the ambassadors and not to Erdogan himself.<\/b><\/p>\n<p><b>What Mitsotakis said, however, is different:<\/b><\/p>\n<p>\u201cI must tell you that, to the best of my knowledge, I am the only Greek prime minister who went to Ankara and raised the issue of casus belli directly, politely, but I believe without backing down from Greek positions. And I told President Erdo\u011fan clearly: It is not acceptable that, 31 years after the threat of war, you want to get closer to Europe, and for me to want, under certain conditions, to bring you closer to Europe, while at the same time you keep the threat of war open in case Greece does what? Exercise a legitimate sovereign right based on international law?\u201d\u00a0Now, what PASOK remembers and what it wants to remember is another matter\u2026<\/p>\n<h3><b>\u201cHe raised the issue in general and vague terms\u201d\u2026<\/b><\/h3>\n<p>We recall, for example, an article (by Aliki Matsi) in \u201cKyriakatiki Eleftherotypia\u201d (January 9, 2011), titled \u201cErzurum is far from The Hague.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>According to the article, \u201cthe possibility of appealing to the International Court of Justice in The Hague was raised again the day before yesterday from Erzurum, Turkey, by Greek Prime Minister G. Papandreou, though without setting specific timelines for resolving Greek-Turkish disputes in the Aegean and, above all, on the issue of <b>the continental shelf.<\/b> Mr. Papandreou raised the issue in general and vague terms, while his entourage clarified that the round of exploratory talks is continuing, though no one can say with certainty exactly where they will lead. <\/p>\n<p>In essence, what emerges is, on the one hand, confirmation of reports that the exploratory talks have stalled at an unspecified point and, on the other hand, that there was apparently zero progress at the Erzurum meeting, something which, naturally, the Prime Minister\u2019s inner circle denies.\u201d<\/p>\n<h3><b>A response marked by violations and\u2026 reparations<\/b><\/h3>\n<p>For his part, Turkey\u2019s then-Foreign Minister, Mr. Davuto\u011flu, had (January 8, 2011) stated:<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThis is Greece\u2019s well-known position. Our own views on these issues are well known, and our Prime Minister has clearly stated them. No one can impose a position on the other side, and especially not on Turkey. Our positions are mutually known. Mr. Papandreou\u2019s messages were, in general, messages of friendship and cooperation.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>And to confirm the truth of this statement, <b>on January 10, 2011, after the meeting concluded, we were informed that a formation of Turkish fighter jets consisting of a total of eight aircraft \u2014four of them armed\u2014had committed one violation and four incursions in the Central and Northern Aegean.<\/b><\/p>\n<p>On the same day, Erdogan stated that Papandreou\u2019s speech to the ambassadors \u201cis the truth that it was not what I expected.\u201d He added, however, that in a conversation they had later, the prime minister said that in fact he did not want his words to be interpreted that way.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cAnd as you saw,\u201d he added, \u201che corrected himself during the press conference that followed. But what matters is not what we say, but what those who listen to us understand. There is this discrepancy that slipped past him, and it wasn\u2019t very nice. We should strive, through what we say, not to create tension in our relations, but to mend them.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>In short, there is no Greek prime minister who has not faced Turkey\u2019s completely negative stance. The problem, however, is that everyone\u2014when they\u2019re not in the thick of it\u2014wants to play the Turk-basher!<\/p>\n<p>Something they\u2019d be wise to stop, because the old playbooks are still around\u2014even when they\u2019re practically nonexistent!<\/p>\n<p> <\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>George Papandreou\u2019s 2011 visit to Turkey and his meeting with Erdo\u011fan left more questions unanswered than it resolved &#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":10975,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[3],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-10974","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-politics"],"acf":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/en.tomanifesto.gr\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/10974","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/en.tomanifesto.gr\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/en.tomanifesto.gr\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/en.tomanifesto.gr\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/en.tomanifesto.gr\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=10974"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/en.tomanifesto.gr\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/10974\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/en.tomanifesto.gr\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/media\/10975"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/en.tomanifesto.gr\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=10974"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/en.tomanifesto.gr\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=10974"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/en.tomanifesto.gr\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=10974"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}